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shams uddin
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Re:Dodgy scholars - Updated # 2844
by  shams uddin  /  4 Months, 3 Weeks ago
abuisa,

You are a nutcase to even compare anyone with a Sahabi. Can anyone reach the rank of Sahaba. If anything, your attitude shows that you have other motives.

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Re:Dodgy scholars - Updated # 2846
by  abuisa  /  4 Months, 3 Weeks ago
shams uddin

you are wrong, I never compared the sahabah to everyone

seeing that you love the shia liar ninowy lanati tell us this then

does he love hazrat muawiyah (rad)

he purely hates him, what about the name musawy which sunnis use this, it is a shia tradition

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Re:Dodgy scholars - Updated # 2848
by  peace  /  4 Months, 3 Weeks ago
assalamu alaykum:

astaghfirullah al-azeem.


As a person on the outside reading the comments I have to step in and say something - sidi abuisa, I beg you to hold your tongue, your language reaks of ignorance and adhomonsym!! Such filth should not be uttered by someone on an islamic forum where the blessed names of sahabah are being used!!

your point on 'loving equally' is completely invalid - it is possible that one leans towards our master Ali more then our master Abu Bakr and still remain a sunni providing they accept that afdhaliyyah is based on the order of the caliphate!! we know this from hadith!!!!!!!

...if you are not content, go ask shaykh Muhammad, all the teachers of ma'had ul fath, shaykh saeedi sahib, shaykh yaar muhammad...ASK PERSONALY SO THAT YOU GET A CLEAR ANSWER

shams, I have to say that I disagree with using the term baghi regardless of where it is found in the books - although I do agree that people should not slander somebody if they speak with evidence, rather it should be rebutted scholarly.

for the record, I am not a tafdeeli, shi'iy, habashi just a weak seeker who sits at the feet of his teacher and listens

I seek refuge with Allah for myself and for you

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Re:Dodgy scholars - Updated # 2976
by  abuisa  /  4 Months, 2 Weeks ago
Sorry been busy lately

Peace what rubbish, will you seek refuge in Allah from ninowy for his attack on hazrat muawiyah, he said he does not love hazrat muawiyah what rubbish.

I am very content we follow hazrat syed pir irfan shah mashadi who is a pure sunni scholar and a pure person

Inshallah you will see soon what ninowy says about hazrat muawiyah

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Re:Dodgy scholars - Updated # 2977
by  abuisa  /  4 Months, 2 Weeks ago
Speaking about his teacher ghumari he says

"2- His position on Mu'awiya is tough. Based on the Ahadith that he found, which are authentic according to him, those ahadith mentioned Mua'wiya with a bad end (i.e. not on Islam). Hence, Sidi Ahmad, practiced these Ahadith and believed in them.
( thats the biggest reason why some hate Sidi Ahmad). If one disagrees with the Ahadith that sidi Ahmad considered authentic, then that should consitute as an excuse for him to come to such conclusion, as it was not merely based out of "hawa" desire and personal opinion.

Now, as you know, most scholars of Ahlus Sunnah disagree with what Sidi Ahmad concluded about Mu'awiya. This is the safer way, and Allah knows best.
Now, having said that, there is no disagreement between the intellectual scholars of Ahlus Sunnah that Mu'awiya was a "Baghiya from Bughaat" which means transgressor. But transgression itself, though is a big sin, but should not eject its person out of Islam. Though Sidi Ahmad considers the Ahadith for the basis of his conclusion, not only the transgression.

This is a senstive topic, and one should learn it from authrorized, knowledgable, and trustworthy scholars of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'a, and should NOT indulge in it without proper knowledge, understanding, and guidance, and Allah knows best."

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Re:Dodgy scholars - Updated # 2978
by  abuisa  /  4 Months, 2 Weeks ago
He then says

"3- The article attributed to Gibril Haddad on Sidi Ahmad is unjust, one sided, misleading, confusing, and presents half truths. He chose to conceil the other half of the truth in order to rationalize issuing judgements and calling names to Sidi Ahmad, in an effort to plant seeds of Hatred against him in the hearts of people. May Allah deal with him with his justice."

What rubbish, this man is crazy, he defends his teacher who curses hazrat muawiyah raziallanhu

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Re:Dodgy scholars - Updated # 2979
by  abuisa  /  4 Months, 2 Weeks ago
Now it gets interestings

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Re:Dodgy scholars - Updated # 2980
by  abuisa  /  4 Months, 2 Weeks ago
A person called abul hasan <abulhasan1390@yahoo.com> replies and ask ninowy somemore questions about his teacher.

ninowy send a lengthy reply i will only quote what he says

"You may view Sidi Ahmad as not a Mujtahed Mutaq.. and that is your opinion, that I respect and appreciate. Sidi Ahmad, did not think so, and as you know, closure of the door of Ijtihad is a contraversial issue, and I doubt we could reach a solid resolution on that.
However, To him and many other scholars -other than his 6 brothers- he was."

how he is making him like the four imams,

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Re:Dodgy scholars - Updated # 2981
by  abuisa  /  4 Months, 2 Weeks ago
now read what he writes

"7- the most contraversial issue about Sidi Ahmad is Mua'wiya."

Do you see the problem with this, this is one of the evidences he hates hazrat muawiyah raziallaho anhu

Why

Read again

"7- the most contraversial issue about Sidi Ahmad is Mua'wiya." -

in the reply he says after his teachers (radiyallaho anho wa arda) but notice how he refuses to use the same words for hazrat muwaiyah, he says when he quotes other sahaba raziyallaho anho but refuses to use this noble title for hazrat muwawiyah rad

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Re:Dodgy scholars - Updated # 2982
by  abuisa  /  4 Months, 2 Weeks ago
He goes on to again to defend his teacher

"Of course, sidi Ahmad did not simply base his opinion on his own "hawa" desire. There are many ahadith in Mu'awiya that are authentic in Sidi Ahmad's scholastic view, and many of them, are in what Al-balathiri narrated, one with " Imam Muslim" chain of narrators. I think thats the one Sidi Ahmad considered not only Sahih, but that the Ummah was afraid to mention what the Prophet mentioned and urged!!
Now, if he was saying these things without evidence of hadith, we would all abandon him, because he was defaming a sahabi. But, I believe, he is excused, cuz he depended on ahadith. More than one for that."

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