Qamar wrote:
ZiaeeSaiyed wrote:
Some sunni brother are saying that padri saheb is out of the ahle sunnah but I am saying that padri saheb is out of the folds of islam!

can any of padri sahebs "discisples" prove his iman?

Ali Ziaee Al-Qadri
Servant of Muhadith e Kabeer

Janab Ziaee Saiyed,

Assalamualijum,

Did u have any any religious authority to declare such judgement or Fatwa !!!!

Allah Hafez,
Mohammed Kamrul Hassan

it is not a fatwa by him

if someone states an opinion it does not make it a fatwa. what is it with you and fatwas

i must say this opinion is held by many sunnis not just him

i wouldnt be suprised if there is a fatwa out on him, what difference will it make to you if there is a fatwa that he is out the folds of Islam? you probably wont believe it or come out with some more rubbish excuses...

agent-x wrote:
Qamar wrote:
ZiaeeSaiyed wrote:
Some sunni brother are saying that padri saheb is out of the ahle sunnah but I am saying that padri saheb is out of the folds of islam!

can any of padri sahebs "discisples" prove his iman?

Ali Ziaee Al-Qadri
Servant of Muhadith e Kabeer

Janab Ziaee Saiyed,

Assalamualijum,

Did u have any any religious authority to declare such judgement or Fatwa !!!!

Allah Hafez,
Mohammed Kamrul Hassan

it is not a fatwa by him

if someone states an opinion it does not make it a fatwa. what is it with you and fatwas

i must say this opinion is held by many sunnis not just him

i wouldnt be suprised if there is a fatwa out on him, what difference will it make to you if there is a fatwa that he is out the folds of Islam? you probably wont believe it or come out with some more rubbish excuses...
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pls see your background & Dr.sahib's background.( www.minhaj.org/english/tid/8718/A-Profil...-Tahir-ul-Qadri.html).And I cannot give this kind of opinion to a scholar,where I am not a scholar.
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Shakyh Nazim (qs) said about him that awliya allahs love him.
Shakyh Hisham (qs) said good about him.
He has very good relation with Sayyid Yusuf Hasim Refaie(qs).
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I am not follow a imam ,who is deobandi,wahabi.About issue of "afdaliyat", I follow what Hazrat Mujazzad Alfethani(ra) said.That is Hazrat Sayedena Abu Bakr Siddique(radi allahu anhu) is best after Nabi (alihimus salam).Than Hazrat Omar (radi allahu anhu).They are "Shaikhayen" and than Hazrat Usman Zinnuraine (radi allhu anhu)and than Hazrat Ali (radi allahu anhu).They are "khatanayen".They all are afzal...And all 3 love ahle bayet...
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But if you all studied Qadiri tariqa and naqshbandi tariqa than you found different taste.Qadiris will say Qadiri tariqa is best & naqashbandi will say their tariqa is best.If we like start another thread.But pls forgive me....
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What I feel Syed Irfan Shah and Mawlana Iliyas Qadiri can arrange a meeting with Dr.Tahirul Qadiri about "disputed issues" and try to solve all matters.

Syed irfan Shah is also has relation with Sayyid Yusuf Hasim Refaie (qs) and Shakyh Hisham Kabbani(qs).So,without create negative lectures ( may be true lectures but ....)they may solve these issues.
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We are not right person to give such opinions.
Note :[ Ya Nabi forum banned me as I forward a topic from sunnitalk about Janaab Tahir Riaz.]

Allah Hafez,

Mohammed Kmarul Hassan

WATCH THIS

can someone please expalin to me what taakir kai log means

JAzakAllah

Qamar wrote:

What I feel Syed Irfan Shah and Mawlana Iliyas Qadiri can arrange a meeting with Dr.Tahirul Qadiri about "disputed issues" and try to solve all matters.

Syed irfan Shah is also has relation with Sayyid Yusuf Hasim Refaie (qs) and Shakyh Hisham Kabbani(qs).So,without create negative lectures ( may be true lectures but ....)they may solve these issues.


When a meeting/debate is arranged, Padri jumps over a wall and runs away!

Janab Ziaee Saiyed,

Assalamualijum,

Did u have any any religious authority to declare such judgement or Fatwa !!!!

Allah Hafez,
Mohammed Kamrul Hassan


Dr Tahir Ul Padri was asked by Muhadith e Kabeer to prove his Iman and he prayed the kalima, Muhadith e Kabeer said, this is not enough. Padri Saheb RAN away and jumped over a wall.

why couldn't he answer and prove his iman?

also,he has said openly that Jews and Christians are "belivers" when they do not even pray the first kalima!

to believe a Kakir as a muslim is kufr!

he also said gangohi was a muslim when the fuqaha and mutakalimeen have both ijma that ganogihi and co were kafirs!

he has said that he will pray behind a shia who disrespects hazrat abu Bakr Sidiq! this is accepting a shia as a kafir

there is ijma that celebrating christas is kufr yet Padri saheb says it is fine?!!

so we learn from this, according to padri saheb. Christians, Jews, Shias, Wahhabis are all muslims but the question strikes me that WHO IS A MUSLIM ACCORDING TO PADRI SAHEB?



pls see your background & Dr.sahib's background.( www.minhaj.org/english/tid/8718/A-Profil...-Tahir-ul-Qadri.html).And I cannot give this kind of opinion to a scholar,where I am not a scholar.

there is a site which says shiahs are right, do u want the link?

Shakyh Nazim (qs) said about him that awliya allahs love him.
Shakyh Hisham (qs) said good about him.
He has very good relation with Sayyid Yusuf Hasim Refaie(qs).

how can shaykh nazim speak on behalf of every wali-Allah? who gave him this authority?

Shia's also love Tahir ul Padri and so do Jews.

He has good relations with everyone who gives him fame and money

But if you all studied Qadiri tariqa and naqshbandi tariqa than you found different taste.Qadiris will say Qadiri tariqa is best & naqashbandi will say their tariqa is best.If we like start another thread.But pls forgive me....

all tariqas are the same! only arrogant and ignorant people say that thier tariqa is the best! and even if they do,that is their opinion.
What I feel Syed Irfan Shah and Mawlana Iliyas Qadiri can arrange a meeting with Dr.Tahirul Qadiri about "disputed issues" and try to solve all matters.

Syed irfan Shah is also has relation with Sayyid Yusuf Hasim Refaie (qs) and Shakyh Hisham Kabbani(qs).So,without create negative lectures ( may be true lectures but ....)they may solve these issues.

we are talking about tahir ul padri,not irfan shah saheb, Yusuf Hasim Refaie or Shakyh Hisham Kabbani!

Ali Ziaee Al-Qadri
Servant of Muhadith e Kabeer

so we learn from this, according to padri saheb. Christians, Jews, Shias, Wahhabis are all muslims but the question strikes me that WHO IS A KAFIR ACCORDING TO PADRI SAHEB?

how can shaykh nazim speak on behalf of every wali-Allah? who gave him this authority?
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You have no adab (proper manner) to a awliya allah.
To know about Shakyh Nazim(qs) ,you may discuss with Syed Irfan Shah Mashadi(qs).
I do not like to discuss with people those have no adab to scholars,awliya allah.
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www.naqshbandi.org/chain/40.htm

Pls read about Shakyh Nazim (quddesha sirruhul aziz)

yes, irfan shah saheb was at a program with prince charles, HOW ON EARTH DOES THAT MEAN HE ALLOWS CHRISTMAS!

padri saheb has openly said, christmas is allowed, to believe haram as halal is kufr, but according to you lot, whatever padri saheb says is the shariah.

of course I am a qadri, I gave my hands in to the hands of Ghaus e Azam.

it is a fatwa.see

one persons fatwa does not change the ijma, if you had brains then you would realise this.

also, i never disrespected shaykh nazim haqqani, all i said is who gave him the right to speak on behalf of Taajush Shariah, Muhadith e Kabeer and a whole list of scholars who say padri saheb is misguided.

second of all, i dont want to click on any links and i would like tha admins to remove them because this is called stupidity, you dont just tell me to click on this and then click on this and click on this.

people with no brains do this.

who is a kafir according to padri saheb, when jews, christians, shiahs, wahhabils, are all muslims??

to me, the word of Allamma Muhadith e Kabeer and Huzoor taajush shariah is more trustworthy than any other scholar regardless of his lineage

Ali Ziaee al-Qadri
Servant of Muhadith e Kabeer