"The Mufaddila are the third type of Shi'a as described by Imam Fadl al-Rasul al-Badayuni in his celebrated al-Mu'taqad al-Muntaqad. "

bro wat was hazrat fazl-e-rasul badayouni? im sure they were qadiri 2!

i really dont know how dese tafzilis can lie thru their teeth. they talk about fazail we all agree in but cnt talk about afzaliat.

Raja Umer Qadri wrote:
dear brother the talk of imam u have made a Hazrat in kashmir have made namaz after his mureed in jamaat so we can say that an imam is afzal? wow what a criteria u have made....... there r many ahadees in which Hazoor(SAWW) has made the shaan of Maula Ali different from every sahaba and the iman of many sheikhs as i have told u one famous example Hazrat Sultan Haq Bahu who is known as Syed Ul Aarifeen and he was bait from Rasool Allah and took faiz from Hazrat Ghous Pak has the believe that Maula is afzal
ali bina emaan na bahu pawe dafan eh wich madinay hooo
i love all sahaba and im not comparing any sahaba with other and i can give u examples of hundreds of shykhs(not talking about scholars) from silsila qadria those believe that Maula Ali is afzal are they all tafzilis.... for god sake any one who makes Maula Ali or Maula Abubakar(R.A.A) afzal than he is not out of ahl e sunnat
Naara e Haidri YA ALI
Naara e Peer Ya Dastageer
Azmat e sahaba zindabad

brother Raja sahib, you are wrong my brother sorry for saying that but the aqeeda of the shuyukh of the qadiriya is not that hadret ali sheri khuda is afdhal it is quite the opposite, yes it is true that some hold him afdhal in certain aspects but this is not kullim(absolute) rather jazwi (partial). This position is is not qaydi itrazi (position of dispute) but qayd ittifaaqi (unkay shaan kay like hayn), for example it is the same as saying panjtan paak are pure! does that mean others are not pure, is that to say that the sahaba are not paak (pure) or the azwaaji mutahirah? this is what the rightly guided ulema have said is qaydi ittafaaqi ( i am quoting notes from Professor Dr Asif asfraf jalali naqshbandi mujjaddadi rabbani (qadasalla sirru noorani.

Ala hadret azeemu barkat Mujjadaddaani deeno millat Muhadith Brailvi Imam Ahmed rada Khan qadda salla sirru noorani is qadiri ut hold the opinion that sadeeqi akber is afdhal, the following are qadiri shaykh that hold this opinion to:
(1) Qutabi waqt ghulshani faizi qadiri Shah Ahle Rasool Mahravi qadda sallah sirru noorani
(2) Shaani Mahrara Qutbi aqtaab Shah Ahmed as Sayyedi Noori al Qadiri qadda salla sirru noorani (Mahrara shareef)
(3) Malikul Ulema Hadret sayyed Zaffur uddin Behari
(4) qaabi qadr wa ikhtiraam Muhadith al hind Muhadith Kachowchawi alayhi rehma
(5)Bafaiz saffur ul islam Shah Abdul aleem meeruti al Qadiri alayhi rehma
(6) Qaadi millati islamiya Shah Ahmed Noorani saddiqi alayhi rehma
(Muffakiri Islam ustazh ul Ulema sayyed Dildar Hussain shah sahib Al qadiri, Chisti nazami
(7) Faqeer Qadiri Ustazh ul ulema muffasiri qur'an Shaykh ul hadith Muddarrassi Aala hadret Allama Sayyed Abu al Barkat sayyed Ahmed Shah al alwari alayhi rehma, nazimi aala jamia hizbul ahnaaf Lahore
(8) Ustazh ul ulema Imam al muffasireen sayyed Muhammed abul hasnaat sah sahib al alwari al qadiri
(9) Shaykh ul Hadith Sayyed shah Ahmed Razvi
(10) Imam al mufassareen Ustazh ul ulema sayyed Naeemuddin muraadabadi qadda salla sirru noorani
(11) sadr us shariah Ustazhul Ulema Maulana Amjad Ali azmi Alayhi rehma
(12) MumTaazi Fuqaha Ustazul ulema hadret Ziaulla Qadiri
(13) Qutbi Madina Hadret allama Mufti Ziauddin Ahmed madani qadda salla sirru noorani
(14) Naab qutbi madina Hadret allama Mufti fadhul rehmaan Qadiri alayhi rehma

the list goes on and on i can name so many shuyukh of the blessed qadiri silsala, but why i named the above is to make a point which is this the above named scholars shaykh and blessed personages are those alim and wali that in the past 100 years have transmitted tyhe correct deen comming from sayyudul qownaan aqa do jahaan nabiyul Muktar Imam al ambiya sallahu alayhi was salam/ Most present day scholars especialy from the indian subcontinant have in some way linkjs with these scholars through either their teachers or their teachers teachers, through dars or sanads. brother raja sahib name me 5 jayyed scholars from india and 5 from pakistan that you know of and isnhallah i will try to show you how they link to one or more of the above scholars. just to open your thinking an brain capacity all scholars that have passed an alims course normally pass the darsi nizami course do you know who set the dars nazami course used in india pakistan and bangladesh?

as u have said that i m lying and im degradind Hazrat Abu Bakar(R.A)[maazallah] this is totally nonsense and i have made a big example of Hazrat Sultan Haq Bahu who believed that Maula Ali is afzal

Raja Umer Qadri wrote:
as u have said that i m lying and im degradind Hazrat Abu Bakar(R.A)[maazallah] this is totally nonsense and i have made a big example of Hazrat Sultan Haq Bahu who believed that Maula Ali is afzal

Brother Umar,

You say that Sultan Bahu belived Mula Ali rda is AFZAAL, well also go and read his saying and belief on Abu Bakar rda and then compare it to the lot who believe MOla ALi rda is afzaal today, you will see hell of a difference.

I just dont understand when has it become a rule that to love one you have to hate the other, the shia they claim to love ahle bait but hate the sahabas, the wahabi claim to love sahaba but hate ahle bait, where Ahlul Sunnah are the only one to love both and respect both but now we to are get infected by the virus of comapring and degrading. Loving Ali is imaan, Ali is such, Ali is Haq, Ali is Wali, SUB KUCH HE ALI!!! that is why we follow him and call Abu Bakar rda afzaal.

May ALLAH guide us and get us out of this new fitna.

Like Syed Irfan Hussain Shah saab said the other day, that Shia celebrate Eid Zahra to say that Ahle Abit became Happy and also that Umar rda got killed by abu lula, how would shia's like it if kharwajis wahabi start to celebrate ib mujlim day!!!! - stick to the middle and love both.

Wasalam

i have read his sayings and his emaan was that Maula Ali is afzal than every sahabi. i m just talking about that i know that most of ahl e sunnat believe that Hazrat Abu Bakar(R.A) is afzal but if a person believe that Maula is afzal than he is not tafzeeli and ur website has regarded me as pathetic tafzeeli. i doesnt understand why they had done this? is lover of Hazoor is tafzeeli? is lover of sahaba is tafzeeli? is lover of Ahl e bait is tafzeeli? is lover of Hazrat Ghous Pak is tafzeeli and a person who belongs to qadri silsila is tafzeeli? if yes than im the biggest tafzeeli.... have i hated the people who regard Hazrat Abu Bakar as afzal? no because i truly love Him He is Yaar e Ghar , He is Siddique Akbar.

Raja Umer Qadri wrote:
i have read his sayings and his emaan was that Maula Ali is afzal than every sahabi. i m just talking about that i know that most of ahl e sunnat believe that Hazrat Abu Bakar(R.A) is afzal but if a person believe that Maula is afzal than he is not tafzeeli and ur website has regarded me as pathetic tafzeeli. i doesnt understand why they had done this? is lover of Hazoor is tafzeeli? is lover of sahaba is tafzeeli? is lover of Ahl e bait is tafzeeli? is lover of Hazrat Ghous Pak is tafzeeli and a person who belongs to qadri silsila is tafzeeli? if yes than im the biggest tafzeeli.... have i hated the people who regard Hazrat Abu Bakar as afzal? no because i truly love Him He is Yaar e Ghar , He is Siddique Akbar.

Brother Umar,

then what is the problem here???? if you know that most of the Ahlul Sunanh follow that Abu Bakar rda is AFZAAL< and those who even said that Ali rda is Afzaal, compare it todays Ulema who say it you will find Zameen or Asmaan ka farq..

Anyway bahi we follow the Jamoor and Ijema and not one or handful of schlors, also please be advised, we have the right to disgaree but no one should attack ANY ULEMAS no matter what there belief on AFZALIAAT issue is.

Wasalam

yes but i have not degraded any ulma who believes in afzaleet of Hazrat Abu Bakar(R.A) but i m saying that a person who believes in afzaleet of Maula Ali is not regarded as tafzeeli as this site has regarded me pathetic tafzeeli? why they have done this? is there a bugz of Hazrat Ali(A.S) in their minds? i want to ask a question that i love all sahaba and i believe thet Hazrat Zaid Ali the peer of Hazrat Imam Abu Hanifa tolds that his aaqa o maula Hazrat Ali has said that i love and respect all sahaba and i also love all sahaba and i m regarded as tafzeeli and i love Hazrat Ghous Pak and belongs to Qadri silsila and the Grand father of my peero murshad(my murshad Hazrat Syed Noor ul Hussnain Qadri Gillani(R.A)) Hazrat Peer Syed Hafiz Muhammad Zaman Qadri gillani(Hazrat Meer Jee Sarkar(R.A)(mazaar in peshawar)) was the first one who celebrated and conducted a ralley on Eid milaad un Nabi(SAWW). and the fore fathers of our silsila are the great Aullia one of them was Hazrat Syed Hassan Badshah(R.A)(mazaar sharif in peshawar) and on his mazaar a karamat can be seen that their is chashma which was created by Hazrat sb and whoever has a skin infection or some skin disease is cured by that water and one of buzurg named Hazrat Syed Abdullah Shah sahabi Qadri Gillani(R.A)(mazaar in thatta sharif) has a living karamat that who has some jin in their bodies touches the jali of His mazaar his jin leaves the body. and one buzurg Hazrat Shah muhammad Ghous Qadri Gilani(R.A)(mazaar in lahore) is one of famous buzurgs of history and the father of my peer and the peer o murshad of my father(Hazrat Syed Muhammad Ameer Shah Qadri Gillani(R.A)(mazaar in peshawar) was one of biggest Aullia of his times he was burried in the mazaar but after two years his grave have been changed and his grave was build near his father grave(all the buzurgs which r burried in peshawar are burried under same mazaar)when his body was pulled out of the grave a fragrance appeared from the grave and the mazaar sharif was full of fragrance and his body is like that he is living and all his mureeds and the biggest ulma e karam of sarhad had watched this manzarand he had the aqeeda and all above mentioned buzurg and all buzurg of my silsila and my Peer o murshad has aqeeda that Maula e Kul Hazrat Maula Ali is afzal and no wali gets wilayat without the madad of Hazrat Ali or Hazrat Ghous Pak and Hazrat Ghous Pak is the door of Maula Ali(allisalato wassalaam). are these buzurg tafzeelis(maazallah)? their graves are living karamat and what is their aqeeda? thos e who believe that Hazrat Abu Bakar(R.A) is afzal they r right but who believes that Maula is afzal he is also right so ur site has given me the title pathetic tafzeeli so its ok inshallah my shafaat will be done by my aaqa Hazrat Maula Ali and Hazrat Abu Bakar
q aqeedat se na mera d il pukare yaaaaa ali
jis k hain maula Muhammad us k hain maula ali
jin k chehre pe nazar karna ibadat hai naseer
wo hadees e mustafa ki roo se hain maula ali
so my aqeeda is same as the aqeda of my peer and i have my peer kafi to support me may Allah help us to love our peer

brother raja you did not answer my question but never mind i will give you an answer inshallah that is simple and without prejudiced

people asked nabiyi mukhtar alayhi salatuwas salaam man hum (who are those that are on the right path )
kaala rasulullah sallauhu alyhi was salam "huma 3alaykas sahaba" they are my sahaba!

The people asked who are the saved people man huma and he (may allah be pleased with him said "humahle sunnati wal jamaat" they are the ahle sunnat wal jamaat! I do not need to give y any one a lecture on this it is well documented and clear (1) the way of the prophet (2) the jamhoor or consensus

amongst the sahaba ikraam ridwanullahi taa3ala majma'3een, the Aima Imams the fuqaha, ulema and awliyah there is jamhoor opinion that hadret sadeeqi akber is afdhal and point to note since our beloved prophet said for us to follow the jamhoor ie consensus, somif people want to follow the minority that is their opinion but it is not the hokum or farmaani nabi sallahu 3alayhi was salam.

all this a side, put aside all the differeing opinons of the fuqaha, the ulema and even the sahaba ikraam ridwanullahi ta3ala majmaeen what does hadret Ali sheri Khuda ridwaanullahi ta3ala ajmaeen say about the issue.

Maula Ali sheri khuda aap kehtayn hayn "La ajidu aHadan fadhalanee 3ala Abi bakrin wa Umara il-la jal-ladtuha Had-dalmutaree'ee !" [ya'nee - bee jisay pa'oown gha kay mujhay abu bakr wa umar say afdhal kehta hayn, issee ilzaam tarashee kee sazaa kay toowr pirasee kowray maarownga"..........

Oh my brother raja and other brothers head the warning from our Maula and Master this is his aqeeda and this is why Imam Rabbani and hadret Mujjadadaani deeno millat muhadith Brailvi hold the opinion of the afdhaliyyat of sarkar yaari gar, shaynshaay sadaaqat

sunnibarelvi wrote:
Pir Abdul Qadir tafdhili.

Is Pir Abdul Qadir really a tafdhili? Strange that sanaqshi has not refuted the accusation against Pir Abdul Qadir. If sanaqshi had known or ever been in the sohbet of Pir Abdul Qadir personally he would have defended him against his haters.

musa wrote:
sunnibarelvi wrote:
Pir Abdul Qadir tafdhili.

Is Pir Abdul Qadir really a tafdhili? Strange that sanaqshi has not refuted the accusation against Pir Abdul Qadir. If sanaqshi had known or ever been in the sohbet of Pir Abdul Qadir personally he would have defended him against his haters.

brother what is there to refute? for your information i have sat in a number of Pir Abdul qadir shaha sahibs sohbets. I was quoting the opinion of hadret Ali sheri Khuda karamallahu ta3ala waj ha hul qareem. With regards to my muwaqif i take the opinon of the mujjadad and leading wali and scholar of this centurary hadret Mujjadaddaani deeno millat Muhadith brailvi Shah Ahmed rada Khan qada salla sirru noorani "afdhal basher baad ambiya bit tahqeeq sayyidina abu bakri sadeeq!"

I don't need to refute anyone (who am i i am zero) all you need to do is look to the majority of Ulema you will soon find very quickly what is the best and proper position (the hadith i quoted is from Sunan dar Qutni and sawaa'3iqi maharqa p60)