mainly one gay ups sorry one guy Ali0009 he has been very active unfortunately many of his warbled rants have ben locked by admin but here below is flavor,
(1)
ashraf786.proboards.com/index.cgi?action...ead=24915&page=1
(2) here is some links that i copied and pasted with respone before the topic were either locked or moved:
(a) Sheikh Ali0009 in his fondness of quoting shiah books in the topic entitled Why Not ALI the first Caliph? States, “c) If Prophet Muhammad had been the first prophet at the time of Adam then he would have had to communicate with the primitive people by signs of the hands and sounds from the mouth instead of words. The primitive people would require over 4,000 years of time to learn to speak fluently, read, write and understand what he was teaching [http://ashraf786.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=ahlebayt&action=display&thread=24091]”
Brother, do you not know that hadret janabi Nabiyay Mukhtar sayyedi Kainnaat salawat sallahu layhi was salaam was the first Prophet and was a Prophet when Hadret Adam alayhis salaam was between earth and water (baynal ardi maa’a wateen - between earth and water) [Dalayl an nabuwa, vol 5: muhadith Bahayki raheemullahi ta3ala]
(b) e) Similarly Hadrat Maula Ali alayhis 'salam would have lost his position of the maker of the first three earlier Khalifas.[ibid],
Subhanallah, allahu akber brother Shaykh Ali0009 are you not aware when the most learned sahaba chose Hadret Sadeeqi Akber raddi allahu ta3ala anho as first Caliph Hadret Ali karem mallahu ta3ala wajha hul kareem was not present, so how could Hadret Ali karem mallahu ta3ala wajha hul kareem be the “maker” of Hadret Sadeeqi Akber raddi allahu ta3ala anho as first Caliph, what a baseless and offensive statement. With regards to the caliphate of farooqi azam Hadret Hafiz Umer bin khattab raddi allahu ta3ala anho and jaami ul Qur’an kaamali Iman hadret Uthman bin affan raddi allahu ta3ala anho Hadret Ali karem mallahu ta3ala wajha hul kareem was amongst the sahibi ra’ii (the most learned sahib) who choose then. Hadret Ali karem mallahu ta3ala wajha hul kareem did not do it by him self there were other sahaba-i-kiram ridwan ullahi ta3ala ajma’een present!
Here is what faqi I aala, arif amongst arifs, shaykh of shaykhs the noor of serhend, ustazh ul ulema, khademi ahle Sunnat imam Rabbani Shaykh Ahmed al farruqi hanafi chisti nizami, naqshbandi ahrari ghujduwani owaysi, qadiri has to say on the matter
Chosing of abu bakr saddique as first caliphe [raddi rawafid p14]
The necessity of carrying out commandments of Rasulullah's 'sall-allahu alaihi wa sallam, such as the execution of the punishments called (Hadd), defending the country against enemies, organizing an army to this end, and the like. And these tasks, in their turn, could be performed only by the State. It was wajib, therefore, for the Muslims to elect a president for the State. Upon hearing about Rasulullah's passing away, most people became so sad that they were at a loss as to what to do, and many others were verging on the insane. Someone to bandage this very serious wound of the people and to diminish the severe pains was prerequisite. Abu Bakr 'radi-allahu anh', in a serene temperance inherent in his immaculately maturated character, convened the Ashab al kiram, and said aloud: "O thou the blessed Companions of the Prophet 'radi-allahu anhum ajmain'! If anyone here is worshipping Muhammad 'alaihis-salam', let him know that he is dead. And whoever is worshipping Allahu ta'ala should know that He is always alive. He will never die!" The rest of his speech was equally effective. Yet, when he heard that the Ansar had come together in order to elect the Khalifa from among themselves, he went to their meeting place, taking Abu Ubaida and 'Umar along. He said to them, "I have heard that you have been electing to perform and execute the commandments of Allahu ta'ala. Think and search! The Khalifa is to be from among the Quraish (tribe)." Then, pointing to Abu Ubaida and 'Umar, he added, "Elect one of these people." Upon this, 'Umar said, "You are the Khalifa, O Abu Bakr," holding out his hand to him. All the Ansar unanimously agreed to his caliphate. The following day he went to the mosque and mounted the minber. He looked at the jamaat (Muslims), and saw that Zubair bin Awwam was not among them. He sent for him and, when Zubair came, he asked him, "Do you have anything against this unanimity of Muslims?" Zubair said, "O the Khalifa of the Messenger! I have nothing against it," and he held out his hand in submission. The Khalifa looked around once again. When he did not see Ali 'radi-allahu anh', he sent for him. When the Amir came, he said to him, "Do you want to be opposed to this unanimity of Muslims?" Ali, too, held out his hand in submission and said, "O the Khalifa of the Messenger! I am not opposed." Zubair and Ali apologized for being late to accept the Khalifa. They said, "We were sorry because we had not been informed about the caliphate election. We know very well that no one among us would be more rightful to the office of caliphate than Abu Bakr is. For he has been honored with being (the Prophet's) companion in the cave. We are very well aware of his honor, his superiority. Rasulullah 'sall-allahu alaihi wa sallam' chose him among us as the imam to conduct the namaz
Very clear that Hadret Ali karem mallahu ta3ala wajha hul kareem was not the “maker” astaghfirullah.
(c) shaykh Ali009 also statets, “Shia research scholar Allama Jarullah Zamukhshari in his book "Al-Mawafekatoe-Baina Ahlal-Bait was Shaba'' has recorded that Abu Bakr offered the Khilafat on three separate occasions to Ali within this period of three days, because Ali alayhis 'salam had been appointed Maula or Spiritual Guide of all Muslims at Ghadir-e-Khum2
[http://ashraf786.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=ahlebayt&action=display&thread=24091]
Please refer to my comprehensive reply [http://ashraf786.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=ahlebayt&thread=24800&page=1] to the correct meaning of “maula” and this absurd assertion.
Also, the first tariqat to become apparent was the naqshbandiyah, which come from the blessed heart of Hadret Sadeeqi Akber raddi allahu ta3ala anho. Sayyidina Hadret Ali karem mallahu ta3ala wajha hul kareem did itaba (he followed and trusted in the caliphate of Hadret Sadeeqi Akber raddi allahu ta3ala anho and therefore accepted Hadret Sadeeqi Akber raddi allahu ta3ala anho as his imam, allahu akber
(d) Sheikh ali009 then quotes the same shiah scholar stating, “Abu Bakr Radi Allahu anhu had to work very hard to set up a good administrative and fair to all government. Whenever he had any problems, he always consulted Hadrat Ali alayhis 'salam and acted upon his advice. In this way he made the kingdom of Islam a well-administered organisation” [http://ashraf786.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=ahlebayt&action=display&thread=24091”
Point 1:What a baseless misinterpretation of the facts. Hadret Sadeeqi Akber raddi allahu ta3ala anho like the other Khulafa had a council (Shurah) of the most learning and capable sahaba may allah bless them, which he consulted of which Hadret Ali sheri huda karemallahu wajhub ta3ala waj ha hul kareem was apart of why does this “learned“ scholar of the ahle tashri not inform the reader of this facts? Hadret Sadeeqi Akber raddi allahu ta3ala did not just consult Hadret Ali karem mallahu ta3ala wajha hul kareem exclusively,
Point 2: this shiah scholar uses “Radi Allahu anhu”for Hadret Sadeeqi Akber raddi allahu ta3ala, but uses “alayhis 'salam” for Hadret Ali karem mallahu ta3ala wajha hul kareem is this because he has some ill feeling toward Hadret Sadeeqi Akber raddi allahu ta3ala or the fact that he thinks Hadret Ali karem mallahu ta3ala wajha hul kareem was or should have been a prophet? Note: alayhis 'salam” is normally used for prophets i.e prophet adam alayhis salaam [you the reader make up your own mind what this shiah means by this tashqeeq (differentiation)
(e) In the topic “Zarb e Ali is better then deeds of all Ummat” sheikh Ali0009 quotes the following, “A single Zarb of Ali alayhis 'salam is better then all the deeds of humans and jins combined till qayammat”. [http://ashraf786.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=ahlebayt&action=display&thread=24090]
Subhanallah thuma ma3 shallah, Oh brother! Did you never read the hadith and riwaya of the Seal of Prophethood sallalahu alyhi was salam when He said , “I repaid everyone on this earth (including hadret Ali sheri Khuda karemallahu ta3ala waj ha hul kareem) except for Hadret Abu Bakr (radiallahu ta3ala anho, Allah Almighty will repay him!” and the sahih hadith “if you put the ibadat (worship) of all my ummah on one side it would not equal 2 nafl of hadret abu Bakr as-Sadeeq”
Superiotity of thye khulifah (raddi rawafid)
(a) He stated to Abu Bakr: "You are my companion in the cave. You are my companion by the Kawthar Pond (in Paradise)." (Tirmuzi).
(b) "Jabrail 'alaihis-salam' came to me. He held me by the hand. He showed me one of my ummat entering through the gate of Paradise." Abu Bakr 'radi-allahu anh' said, "O Rasulullah! I want to be with you there." He (Rasulullah) stated, "O Abu Bakr! Among my Ummat, you will be the first to enter Paradise." (Tirmuzi).
(c) When he (the Prophet) stated, "I entered Paradise. I saw a villa. I saw a houri [maiden of Paradise] in it. I asked her: Who are you for? She said: I have been created for 'Umar ibni Khattab. I wanted to go in and see her. But, O 'Umar, I thought it might hurt you! ", 'Umar 'radi-allahu anh' said, "I would sacrifice my mother, my father, and everything I have for your sake, O Rasulullah!" (Bukhari and Muslim).
(d) He (Rasulullah) pointed to 'Umar 'radi-allahu anh' and said, "This (high) person's rank in Paradise is higher than that of any of the rest of my Ummat." (Ibni Maja).
(e) "I have not brought Abu Bakr and 'Umar (into a position) ahead of you all. Allahu ta'ala has brought them ahead of you all." (Abu Yala).
(f) "I asked Jabrail 'alaihis-salam' about the virtues of 'Umar. Were I to tell about the values he has as long as the period of Nuh's 'alaihis-salam' prophethood [nine hundred and fifty years], I still would not be able to finish. All the values 'Umar has, on the other hand, are (equal to) only one of Abu Bakr's values." (Abu Yala).
(g) "In Paradise, after Prophets 'alaihimus-salam', the highest ones of all mankind are Abu Bakr and 'Umar." (Tirmuzi and Ibni Maja).
(h) Abu Musa-l-Ashari narrates: We were sitting in the yard (of a house) in Medina, when someone knocked on the door. The Messenger of Allah ordered, "Open the door and give the visitor the good news that he shall go to Paradise!" When I opened the door, Abu Bakr Siddiq came in. I gave him the good news, he made hamd. Then there was another knock on the door. "Open the door and give the good news!", said the Prophet again. I opened it, and 'Umar Faruq came in. When I gave him the good news, he made hamd to Allahu ta'ala. The door was knocked once more. The Messenger of Allah said, "Open it and give him the good news and tell him that he will suffer a catastrophe!" I opened (the door). It was 'Uthman Zinnureyn 'radi-allahu anh'. I gave him the good news, and he made hamd. (Bukhari and Muslim) [Imam Rabbani qadda salla sirru, Raddi Rawafid p8.f]
(i) Muffakkiri islam states that “hadret abu bakr sadeeq radi allahu ta3ala anho kay afdhal jaano our is ummat kay afdhal samjaa aur sab ummat kay afdhalk samjoo!”
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR-ht5S0ym0&feature=related, at point 25 secionds on wards]
(j) brother ali getting advice from his brothers on yanabi.com
www.yanabi.com/forum/Topic350577-4-1.aspx
(3) another shiah orientated biased article presented by the same person [with and extensive response]
In the topic entitled “Blessed Event of Ghadir Khum” [http://ashraf786.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=ahlebayt&action=display&thread=24800] Shaykh Ali0009 sets forth the following statement:
”Ghadir Khum is the pond and is the famous place where Jinab e Mustafa Salla Allahu 'alayhi wa Sallam revealed his final message to 120,000 companions who had just completed the Hajj, gathered around him, and He said:
"Who do you think is more worthy of obedience than your souls?"
Sahaba e Karam answered "Allah and his messenger know best", Nabi Muhammad Salla Allahu 'alayhi wa Sallam continued, Lo! Allah is my Master, and am I not worthy of obedience from You? They answered "yes RasoolAllah" Then the Prophet bend down and lifted up Ali alayhis 'salam in his hands, showing him to the crowds on all sides of the pulpit, and proclaimed:
MunKunto Maulaho fe haasa Ali-yun Maulah
Whoever's Mawla I am, Ali is also his master.
"Who ever received light through me, will receive light through Ali"
"Ali is the perfect mirror of the Holy Prophet"
The whole crowd cheer'd upon hearing this and greeted Maula Ali alayhis 'salam. Hazrat Omer alayhis 'salam was the first one to greet Maula Ali alayhis ‘salam saying:
You were Maula of each Ummati, but today you have become My Maula too.”
Being wary of such statements as I have heard such statements in the past from people with shiah inclinations and or out and out tafzeeli shiah. In my experience such expressions are normally uttered by shiah who try to use this as proof to ssome how justify their position that Hadret Ali karem mallahu ta3ala wajha hul kareem is some how superior and more suited (awla) [tafzeeli], whilst other shiah grou[ps hold such statement as proof that Hadret Ali karem mallahu ta3ala wajha hul kareem should have been first C
Caliphe.
As I am an ignorant student of the knowledge and always try to seek the correct aqaid. It is my understanding that one cannot make comment on something that is muzahira (hear say or third party information, one should have clarity of proof and the thing that one is sommenting upon should be apparent and open) I have humbly requested
brother Shaykh Ali0009 to clarify what he meant by the above statement(s), but unfortunately he has yet to reply. With standing this I have noticed some other interesting topics and quotes from the same brother below are just a selection viz:
(1) “Zarb e Ali is better then deeds of all Ummat” [http://ashraf786.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=ahlebayt&action=display&thread=24090]
(2) There is only Ali [http://ashraf786.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=poems&action=display&thread=24797]
(3)
ashraf786.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=...lay&thread=24091”
(4) Why Not ALI the first Caliph? [http://ashraf786.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=poems&action=display&thread=2479]
Reading such statements (you can make up your own mind what shaykh Ali0009 is trying to imply or his position in the absence of his own clarification) make me think of a passage of text I read along time ago. I have taken time to go back to that book/text to be clarify the situation and opinion of the Ulema of ahle sunnah.
The Eminent Islamic scholar, profound alim, khateeb and pillar and crown of the arifs of the most Distinguished Naqshabandi order, Hadret Mujjaddadi alfi thani, Shaykh ahmed al Farooq ar rabbani qadda salla sirru states,"When fitnas (instigations, mischiefs) and bidats appear and my Ashab are vilified, a person who knows the fact should let others know it, too. If he does not, may he be under the curse of Allahu ta'ala and angels and all mankind! Allahu ta'ala will not accept this scholar's worships, neither the fard (compulsory) ones nor the supererogatory ones", stimulated me into feeling discontented with these speeches” [Imam Rabbani, Raddi rawafid, p1ff]. Having fear that by not establishing or transmitting what I know to be the truth about the above statement present by brother Shaykh Ali0009 I fear I will become sinful and as a bad student I do not wish to heap more calamities upon my self. I seek refuge and forgiveness from my Lord.
I must state from the outset I am not an alim, scholar or have a senad nor so I wish any person to think I am trying to be something when I am in reality nothing. I am but an ignorant, bad student and the lowest mureed of my Shaykh, but having sat with people who have been authorized with unbroken chain of transition from the blessed Prophet of Allah sallahu alayhi was salam and having the blessings and Allah’s mercy of having discussed this particular topic and passage of text with them I wish to present the correct sunni position regarding this statement.
With regards to the other statements made by brother Shaykh Ali009 inshallah I will deal with them in a separate response, but with regards to this response I will only focus only upon the topic entitled “Blessed Event of Ghadir Khum” [http://ashraf786.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=ahlebayt&action=display&thread=24800] posted by Shaykh Ali0009.
CORRECTING THE MISGUIDED IN RELATION TO THE CORRECT OPINION REGARDING THE BLESSED SAHABA
[تصحيح الأراء المضللة فيما يتعلق بالصحابة المباركين]
بِسْمِ اللهِ الرَّحْمنِ الرَّحِيمِ
wala howla wala quwata illa billa hil aleeyil azeem.
Nahmaduhu wa no salay 3ala rasoolihil karem thuma ba’3am a’uzubillah himinishaytaan nir rajeem bismillah hir rehmaan nir raheem
وَمَا لَكُمْ أَلاَّ تُنفِقُواْ فِي سَبِيلِ ٱللَّهِ وَلِلَّهِ مِيرَاثُ ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلأَرْضِ لاَ يَسْتَوِي مِنكُم مَّنْ أَنفَقَ مِن قَبْلِ ٱلْفَتْحِ وَقَاتَلَ أُوْلَـٰئِكَ أَعْظَمُ دَرَجَةً مِّنَ ٱلَّذِينَ أَنفَقُواْ مِن بَعْدُ وَقَاتَلُواْ وَكُلاًّ وَعَدَ ٱللَّهُ ٱلْحُسْنَىٰ وَٱللَّهُ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ خَبِيرٌ
aamantubillahi saddaqallahu rabbunal aala wa saddaqar rasooluhun nabeeyul kareem wa ameenul mateen, ba sadqay innallah wa malaaikatahu you saloona alan nabee, ya ayyuhalazeena amanu sallu alayhi wa sallimu tasleema,
allahuma sallay ala muhammedin nabiyal ummihi wa 3alihi wa sahbihi was salam.
After Hamd bari ta3ala and salaams and salutations upon the most beloved of Allah Noor al anwar Nabiyal Mukhtaari Muhammedur rasoolullah sallahu alayhi was salam and Allah mercy upon the Khulifa ar rashida the ahle aba, the azwaji mutahara, the ashtratul mubashireen and all of the companions (mihajir and ansar) ridwanullahi ta3ala ajma’een.
Shaykh Ali009 states (I include other derivations of the same statement),
MunKunto Maulaho fe haasa Ali-yun Maulah
Whoever's Mawla I am, Ali is also his master.
"Who ever received light through me, will receive light through Ali"
"Ali is the perfect mirror of the Holy Prophet"
On pondering the above statement there is 3 positions a person can adopt (1) that Hadret Ali karem mallahu ta3ala wajha hul kareem is awla (superior, more worthy or more fitting then others) (2) that Nabi kareem sallahu alayhi wasalam indicated superiority and that everyone one should be obedient and follow Hadret Ali karem mallahu ta3ala wajha hul kareem (3) that positions (1) and (2) (position of the shiah such as rafzi and tafseeli) are not meant by this statement and are incorrect, but rather something entirely different is meant by this statement
Understanding position (1) and (2)
The scholars of mantaq (logic) and others have stated, “al mutalaqu yajree 3ala italaqihee” [ اتلاقه على يجرى المتلق] which means, “absolute is that which is general in its meaning” i.e. if something is general you cannot make is specific without providing a proof. This is one of the main principles in the science of logic (ilme mantaq).
If we adopt this principle in viewing the statement presented by brother Shaykh Ali0009 we will observe that;
(1) in obeying others; it is necessary to obey only when the commands are permitted (by Islam), because this obedience has been commanded by Allah, so therefore this statement cannot mean obeying Hadret Ali karem mallahu ta3ala wajha hul kareem in everything because there are 40 tariqats coming from him and 1 tariqat coming from Hadret Sadeeqi akber radi allahu ta3ala anho, so already we have teshqiq (تشقئق) [act of classifying things according to their difference] difference
(2) if Sayyidina Nabiyul mukhtaar sallahu alayhi was salam had meant that everyone should obey Hadret Ali karem mallahu ta3ala wajha hul kareem or that he was superior to everyone else, then the “obeying” and “superiority” [positions (1)&(2)] would have been meant in a general sense and therefore be a general command (obeying and superiority in everything). As there appears to be no restrictions placed in what Sayyidina Nabiyul mukhtaar sallahu alayhi wa salam had said in this statement. So the statement would have to be taken as an absolute command and its meaning would be applied genrally across every aspect of Islamic life (matalaq cheez wo hayn jo aapnay mafoom which aam how way - “absolute is that which is general in its meaning”)
Please note here that “obedience” is a word, which can be referred to as “mutawati” (مطاوعتى) in Arabic, which is an attribute commonly and equally shared by all the members of a species. Like the attributes, or characteristics, of being human or animal e.g. a believer and a non believer are equal as humans beings but are classified differently according to their Iman (Mushaqqiq (مشاقق).
The act of following varies, depending on the degree and the duration of obedience, but the essence of the act of following will not change with the degree or the duration of obedience. In other words, its essential attribute called mutawati (مطاوعتى) will not change. For it is stated unanimously by the scholars of Usul and by others that the difference that causes teshqiq (تشقئق) [act of classifying things according to their difference] is not based on time or amount. Mushaqqiq (مشاقق that which has been classified) means an attribute, a quality, a characteristic which does not exist in equal amounts in all the members of a species e.g. knowledge is possessed in different amounts by learned people and non learned alike.
"If you infer the meaning of iqtida (obedience/following) from the statement presented by brother Shaykh Ali0009,, this would signify a that iqtada or awla being a mutawati (مطاوعتى) attribute i.e. that we should be obedient and follow Hadret Ali karem mallahu ta3ala wajha hul kareem and hold him as awla in everything! “Iqtida” in this sense would mean to follow him in everything. If the (following) person does something by himself, be it something important or insignificant, he would not have done iqtida. Following only in one respect may be said to be iqtida in itself; yet the person (who has done so) cannot be said to have fulfilled iqtida in its fuller sense. Also obedience means for the follower to follow the one whom he obeys. If a person follows a superior person, the follower is called (tabi') in arabic, so in this cause Hadret Ali may allah bless him was a follower (sahaba) and did ittaba of Nabi kareem sallahu alayhi was salam (superior person is called (metbu')). Wherein Hadret Ali karem mallahu ta3ala wajha hul kareem was a blessed sahaba and the beloved Of Allah sallahu alayhi was salam was a Prophet. One is a Prophet whilst other is a sahaba there is Mushaqqiq (مشاقق) here because tashqeeq [(تشقئق) act of classifying things according to their difference] has occurred:
Nabi kareem sallahu alayhi was salam = prophet
Hadret Ali karem mallahu ta3ala wajha hul kareem = sahaba
Therefore you cannot extrapolate Awla (superiority, betterness) for Hadret Ali karem mallahu ta3ala wajha hul kareem from this statement because by the rules of mantaq and Arabic lexicon he is not the same as Nabi kareem sallahu alayhi was salam, so the shiah position is rejected.
Further, if you adopt the position that Nabi kareem sallahu alayhi was salam suggested some kind of superiority and iqtada for Hadret Ali karem mallahu ta3ala wajha hul kareem from brother Shaykh Ali0009’s statement then all of the sahaba may allah bless them including the sahibi ra’ii (the most learned sahaba) who choose Hadret Sadeeqi akber radi allahu ta3ala anho made a grave error because they should have chosen Hadret Ali karem mallahu ta3ala wajha hul kareem instead if the statement meant superior or more worthy, but in choosing Hadret Sadeeqi akber radi allahu ta3ala anho [note: Hadret Ali karem mallahu ta3ala wajha hul kareem was not amongst those that decided on choosing Hadret Sadeeqi akber radi allahu ta3ala anho, therefore he did not make Hadret Sadeeqi akber radi allahu ta3ala anho Caliphe what a bizarre statement to make (shaykh Ali0009) but instead unequivocally indorsed the sahibi ra’iis opinion] this is proof and document in its self that the statement:
MunKunto Maulaho fe haasa Ali-yun Maulah
Whoever's Mawla I am, Ali is also his master.
Does not mean superior or to follow Hadret Ali karem mallahu ta3ala wajha hul kareem, Further more, if this was the case as our shiah friends would want us to believe then Hadret Ali karem mallahu ta3ala wajha hul kareem would have errorred and made a mistake 4 times [if this statement meant superior and iqatada]:
(1) when Hadret Sadeeqi akber radi allahu ta3ala anho was chosen because he take his right as he was “Awla”
(2) when Hafiz Umer bin khattaab radi allahu ta3ala anho become Caliph again Hadret Ali karem mallahu ta3ala wajha hul kareem did not take his rightful place as Caliph because he would have been superior to everyone even Hafiz Umer bin khattaab radi allahu ta3ala anho
(3) when Hafiz Uthman ghani radi allahu ta3ala anho become Caliph again Hadret Ali karem mallahu ta3ala wajha hul kareem would not have taken his rightful place as caliph because he would have been superior to everyone according to this shiah reading of the sentence
(4) when Hadret Ali karem mallahu ta3ala wajha hul kareem himself become the 4th rightly guided caliph he did not annul the first 3 caliphs, khilafat because his superiority assigned through this statement by (astaghfirullah).
If Nabi Kareem sallahu alayhi was salam meant “Awla” then how do we view this statement in the light of the following sahih hadith:
(1) He stated to Abu Bakr: "You are my companion in the cave. You are my companion by the Kawthar Pond (in Paradise)." (Tirmuzi).
(2) "Jabrail 'alaihis-salam' came to me. He held me by the hand. He showed me one of my ummat entering through the gate of Paradise." Abu Bakr 'radi-allahu anh' said, "O Rasulullah! I want to be with you there." He (Rasulullah) stated, "O Abu Bakr! Among my Ummat, you will be the first to enter Paradise." (Tirmuzi).
(3) When he (the Prophet) stated, "I entered Paradise. I saw a villa. I saw a houri [maiden of Paradise] in it. I asked her: Who are you for? She said: I have been created for 'Umar ibni Khattab. I wanted to go in and see her. But, O 'Umar, I thought it might hurt you! ", 'Umar 'radi-allahu anh' said, "I would sacrifice my mother, my father, and everything I have for your sake, O Rasulullah!" (Bukhari and Muslim shareef).
(4) He (Rasulullah) pointed to 'Umar 'radi-allahu anh' and said, "This (high) person's rank in Paradise is higher than that of any of the rest of my Ummat." (Ibni Maja).
(5) "I have not brought Abu Bakr and 'Umar (into a position) ahead of you all. Allahu ta'ala has brought them ahead of you all." (Abu Yala).
(6) "I asked Jabrail 'alaihis-salam' about the virtues of 'Umar. Where I to tell about the values he has as long as the period of Nuh's 'alaihis-salam' prophethood [nine hundred and fifty years], I still would not be able to finish. All the values 'Umar has, on the other hand, are (equal to) only one of Abu Bakr's values." (Abu Yala).
(7) "In Paradise, after Prophets 'alaihimus-salam', the highest ones of all mankind are Abu Bakr and 'Umar." (Tirmuzi and Ibni Maja).
(8) Abu Musa-l-Ashari narrates: We were sitting in the yard (of a house) in Medina, when someone knocked on the door. The Messenger of Allah ordered, "Open the door and give the visitor the good news that he shall go to Paradise!" When I opened the door, Abu Bakr Siddiq came in. I gave him the good news, he made hamd. Then there was another knock on the door. "Open the door and give the good news!", said the Prophet again. I opened it, and 'Umar Faruq came in. When I gave him the good news, he made hamd to Allahu ta'ala. The door was knocked once more. The Messenger of Allah said, "Open it and give him the good news and tell him that he will suffer a catastrophe!" I opened (the door). It was 'Uthman Zinnureyn 'radi-allahu anh'. I gave him the good news, and he made hamd. (Bukhari and Muslim shareef ) [Imam Rabbani qadda salla sirru, Raddi Rawafid p8.f]
THIS IS EVIDENCE IN ITSELF THAT HADRET ALI INDORSED THE CALIPHATE OF THE FIRST 3 RIGHTLY GUIDED CALIPHS AND IN NO WAY DOES THE STEMENT IMPLY SUPERIOTY OR OBEDIENCE TO HADRET ALI KAREM MALLAH WAJHU TA3ALA WAJHA HUL KAREEM. OTHERWSIE ALL THE SAHABA INCLUDING THE BLESSED AZWAJI MUTAHARAH, THE AHLE ABA, THE ASHRATAL MUBASHIREEN, THE ANSAR THE MUHAJAR AND THE SHUHADAH WOULD HAVE ERRORRED IN CHOOSING HADRET SADEEQI AKBER RADI ALLAHU TA3ALA ANHO,
THIS POSITION AND OPINION IS ABSOLUTELY ABSURED AND DELLUDED WHEN LOOKED AT IN THE PLAIN LIGHT OF DAY AND UNALTERED FACTS.
Position (3)
This hadith does not signify better, fitness or superiority at all yet we do not consider it appropriate to give other meanings. In such cases, it is better to give meanings agreed on we agree with giving the meanings 'lover' and 'helper' to the word 'mawla' (Documents of the right word p26 & hujjaji Qatiyyah page26f. Khateebi Baghdad, al Mudarress, Allama Abdullah Swaydi Hanafi Al Qadiri]. The eminent shaykh goes onto also state that Nabi Kareem sallahu alayhi was salam said that, 'If a person loves me and knows me as his helper, he should know Ali as his helper, too!' When the matter is pondered over carefully, it will be seen that this hadith does not signify better fitness for caliphate, or superiority at all. For it would not be correct to explain the word 'wali' or maulan as 'awla', neither lexically nor from the Islamic point of view. That it would not be Islamic is plain. As for its lexical aspect; words that are fa’il (maula being an ism faa3il word) have never been used in the (fe3il) category" (ibid p24f.)
There are 23 meanings of the word Mawla written in the Arabic lexicon. Qamus (written by Allama Mejd-ud-Din Muhammad bin Yaqub Firu’abadi Yamana [729-816 [1413]), so in what meaning a word of this sort is used (in a certain text) should be indicated by means of a special sign, denotation or connotation. The word “maula” does not come from the word “maulana” as Shaykh Ali009 has suggested. The word “maula” (مولى) actually comes from the root word walaha (وله), which means he deeply loved. Therefore in the correct context of the statement in the light of this statement cross examined with other sahih hadith from sunni books would or should read something like:
"Who do you think is more worthy of obedience (awla) than your souls?"
If we view this statement in the light that Nabi kareem sallahu alayhi was salam
is the “crown of creation”, the original archetype, most beloved of Allah azza wa jal and clearly stated that “non of you is a Muslim until you love him more then your mother your father and your children” (Bukhari and Muslim shareef) then the statement would mean something different namely:
'If a person loves me and knows me as his helper, he should know Ali as his helper, too!' (Majma ul-gharaib), because the root word of maula is derived from "he deeply loved" (walaha (وله)) and also “helper” (inna ma waliyukummallahu warsoolluhu…), both of which are the accepted position of ahle sunnat wal a jamaat.
If anyone else wants to adopt another position then the must provide proof to counter the over whelming evidence presented to us by such esteemed scholars as mujjadadi alfi thani Imam rabbana qadda salla sirru and shaykh ul islam Mudarasi aala Allama Abdullah Swaydi hanafi al qadiri Baghdadi raheemullahi ta3ala and mujjadaani deeno millat ala hadret fazili Brailvi qadda salla sirru.
Atraku fee Amanallahi
SA Naqshi
(any mistakes in the quotation of the scholars of this deen or in what I have said are mine and if so I accept full responsibility and ask Allah azza wa jal, who is the Giver of honour and respect for his infinite Mercy to be showered upon me)
[attested with the sound proofs from the books of sunni scholars by Shaykh Ahmed al Qadiri Rizvi, 07/12/09]
i hope that helps you brother
al Khadim
Abu Noor
the way u said u and 2 other sunnis bros thwarted them into running off. thx for the message, i'll read another time it's too long & i'm confused.
