As-salamu alaykum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh wa maghfiratuh:

My question is toward any Sunni Sahih-ul-Aqida `aalim on this forum in regards to several statements I have heard, which I suspect, are kufriya statements. I would like to know if these statements are indeed kufr, if they are insulting towards Allah subHanahu wa ta`ala and the Beloved Messenger sal Allahu ta`ala alayhi wa salim, whether each respective statement is ghayr sareeh, sareeh, etc. and if it is, it is mut`ayyan or mubayyan.



Statement # 1: "Then we will be the children of God"
Statement # 2: "We believe that the Prophet has no power to benefit or harm...ila bi idhnillah"
Statement # 3: "Death interrupts an appointed life-span"
Statement # 4: "He [Sayyiduna Umar] lost his mind"
Statement # 5: "He [sayyiduna Muhammad salAllahu alayhi wa salim] is a man like other men. They died and he will die.
Statement # 6: "If I can't say rahmatullahi alayha after her [Rachel Corrie's] name, then I'm sorry but I'm in the wrong religion

JazakAllahu khayran wa aHsan al-jaza

Abu Abbas al-Ridawi

Ignorance has become the library of thought in this time,

We seek refuge in Allah from such people who speak without knowledge and corrupt themselves and others without thought.

your duas

i would deefinately say that these staements are kufr but i am not an ulama

by the way who has made this statements?

Brother though i know this question is directed towards an A'lim, but these statements are without any doubt clear cut kufriyah.

assalamu alaykum,

brothers - with all the greatest respect, if you do not know do not speak.

I do not want to get in to a discussion about such detailed issues over a forum, I would direct the questioner to a learned alim in his town.

how can you say that point 2 and 4 are 'clear' kufr? Allahu musta'aan

We get told these things in mosque that why we can say.

I would loved to be proved wrong if you can, as it would be a sure learning point for me

JazakAllah

for example let us take the first statement -

it may be that a muslim asked a christian:
muslim: is jesus God or the son of God.
christian: he is a creation of God and so we refer to him as the son of God
muslim replies in amazement to the stupidity: so (in your eyes/you are saying) we would be the sons of God??!! i.e. he is mocking the idiocy of the christians statement not affirming the belief

now can one say that this is clear kufr? No. There is absolutely NO POSSIBILITY that the muslim was affirming this belief whether explicitly or implicitly.

2nd statement

it is the belief of ahlu sunnah that any benefit is ultimately from Allah, as He is the creator. The prophet peace be upon him is a mercy because Allah created him as a mercy to all mankind, hence his (peace be upon him) mercy is manifest because Allah willed it to be.

The sentence itself however is not the most befitting in its tone and style, but it is strictly speaking true (illa bi idhnillah means 'except by the will of Allah')

If anything, the opposite statement would be problematic: i.e to believe that the prophet peace be upon him benefits us without the permission of Allah (we seek refuge from Allah from such a belief)

Brother, these questions will be sent to Ulema INSHALLAH, but keep in mind to put a Fatwah of Kufar on someone Ulema would want to listen to what was said, if they do say its Kufar it doesn't mean that everyone can start calling the questionable Ulema Kuffar.

As-salamu alaykum brother Peace:

JazakAllah for your informative reply. However, the context of the statement was not a debate with a non-Muslim but was at a large public convention. The speaker, whom I shall not name publically (if you want to know who, PM me), "people who can create an agenda whose heart is securing the rights of others and securing the interests of others and securing the security of others before we even think about our own rights, interests, and securities and if we can be a people who can do that, can dedicate ourselves and live and give to others, then Allah ta`ala will take care of us because we will truly be the "children of God"."

Thus, the statement is clear to you that he was saying it upon his own accord and was stating it in a regular general speech.

As for the second statement, the tasarruf is obviously given by Allah but the statement mentioned (ba-dhahir) does nafi (negation) of the tasarruf of the Prophet sal Allahu ta`ala alayhi wa alihi wa salim or at least, puts doubts in people's minds in that regard. If this is statement as I have heard it correctly, then people will have excuses to fault the Messenger of Allah (sal Allahu ta`ala alayhi wa salim). This is where intention does not matter. If even a slight whiff of disrespect is found, it is kufr.

Imam al-Qadi `Iyad radhiy Allahu anhu states in al-Shifa bi Ta`aruf al-Huquq al-Mustafa:

“That, when a person has uttered something when speaking of the Prophet, salla Allâhu ‘alayhi wa sallam, without intending to insult, neither to offend and nor does he believe it to be but has uttered for the Prophet, salla Allâhu ‘alayhi wa sallam, words which constitute kufr [like] from cursing him or insulting him or falsifying him or associating that which is unlawful upon him or negating that which is indispensable upon him which for his status are [considered] blemishes, salla Allâhu ‘alayhi wa sallam, like associating a major sin …. or uttered something disrespectful out of sheer ignorance which is construed as a kind of verbal abuse even if his circumstances apparently illustrate that he did not intend to demean the Prophet, salla Allâhu ‘alayhi wa sallam, nor did he rely on it or he uttered it merely through ignorance or due to distress and depression or due to influence of intoxication or due to lack of thought or by his tongue running away from him or uttered it in the heat of the moment. Then the legal ruling concerning such a person without hesitation is death.”

[Qâdî ‘Iyâd bin Mûsâ Mâlikî D544H ash-Shifâ’ Vol 2 Page 203-204 Published by ‘Abd at-Tawwâb Academy, Multân]

As for who, I'd have to send you a PM....I can't say who these persons are in public due to fear of uproar at this point.